Under the Japanese Breakfast name, Zauner has just put out her third record, Jubilee. She also recently released her debut memoir, Crying in H Mart, which landed on the NYT Bestsellers List. In this chat, she and I discuss the album — sonic and lyrical inspirations, the concept of exploring joy, and more — as well as the memoir, which deals heavily with her complex relationship with her late mother. We talk about fictional vs. personal in songwriting, the sort of complicated backstory of her single “Posing in Bondage”, and much more. Thank you for listening, and please enjoy.